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LiveTextAccess.

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Training for real-time
intralingual subtitlers.

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This is Unit 1.
Understanding accessibility.

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Element 3. Embedding accessibility
in working environments.

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In this video lecture, we show
an interview with Evan Dorrestein,

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a real-time intralingual subtitler
from the Netherlands.

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He will talk about the role
of real-time subtitles

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in conferences and working meetings.

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My name is Piero Cavallo

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from the Internationale Hochschule
SDI München, in Germany.

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I have prepared this video lecture

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in collaboration with Rocío Bernabé Caro,
also from SDI München,

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and the European Federation
of Hard of Hearing, in short, EFHOH.

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On completion of the training sequence,

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you will be able to advise customers
about how to best set up

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an accessible real-time
working environment

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for persons with hearing loss

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in the trained working contexts
and settings.

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To achieve that,

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we will show testimonials
and interviews of professionals.

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The agenda is very short.

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First, I am going to introduce
our invited speaker, Evan Dorrestein.

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Then, I will illustrate the topics
of the interview.

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Finally, we will end this video lecture
with a summary.

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First of all,
let me introduce you Evan Dorrestein.

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Evan Dorrestein is from the Netherlands.

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He has medium long, brown hair
and a beard.

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He started his career
as a real-time subtitler

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for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing

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at the Dutch national broadcaster NPO

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in 2001.

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Since 2006,

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he has been a freelance subtitler
and respeaker

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and he has worked at conferences
and other live events,

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both on-site and remotely.

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Let me give you some information
before watching the video.

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In the interview,
Evan answered some questions

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about how a real-time subtitler
provides accessibility

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in conferences and in working meetings.

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In particular,

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he discussed about the equipment
that a real-time subtitler should have

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when working in these contexts,

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the differences between working
on-site and online,

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and the differences
between the two contexts.

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Finally, Evan shared his suggestions
for future professionals.

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Ok, let’s watch the video now!

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-[Piero] Hi, Evan. Nice to meet you.
-[Evan] Hi, there.

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[Piero] Thanks for joining
in this interview.

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The topic of today's interview is

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providing accessibility,
as a real-time subtitler,

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as a live captioner

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in different contexts.

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And the contexts
you are about to talk about are:

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conferences and working meetings.

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I suppose they share a lot in common.

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So we are going to talk
about the two settings together.

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And then maybe highlight
some of the differences

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that captioners might have

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and might encounter
in these two settings.

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As a professional
who facilitates communication

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in conferences and working meetings,

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what do you need,
as a real-time subtitler,

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as a live captioner,
what do you need

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in these contexts
to provide good accessibility?

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[Evan] Yes. Let's start with
being a captioner on-site.

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Because there are a couple
of differences between doing things

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remotely or doing things on-site.

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But if you are visiting a company

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to do captioning on-site
at a company somewhere,

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a couple of things are needed,
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First thing that you need,

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very important is to have good audio

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of the speakers
that you are going to subtitle.

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Sometimes, when you arrive at a place,

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they have a separate speaker
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with the sound.

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But you cannot plug
your headset into it.

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So you need to clearly communicate
that you want the sound,

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and you have to be able to plug in
your mini jack

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wherever the sound comes from.

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What I did myself, as a captioner, is,

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I bought one of those little things
that can connect,

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if you do have the sound
from a little speaker

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that you can just adapt and have
the right cable to connect things,

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so that you always have your own gear

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to be able to use the audio jack
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If you don't have it,

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that's a tip that I would give

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is buy one of those little things,

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and you can always do it yourself,
if they don't have it.

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I will show you in a minute
what it looks like.

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[Piero] OK, perfect.

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[Evan] So, next what you need is,
you want to sit in a room

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where you do not disturb
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If you are a respeaker, like I am,
you make some noise.

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If you are a velotypist,

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maybe it's not that disturbing
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But if you are a respeaker,

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you really need to have
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or at least be far away enough

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so that you don't disturb the people.

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Another thing that you need is,
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with the visuals of the meeting
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And preferably,

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where you can also see the subtitles
that you create yourself.

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It's not a must. I mean,
you can do it without.

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The main thing is that you can have
both audio and video.

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And one of that things
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if you work with Text on Top,

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and you have these little USB sticks,
these little dongles,

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they work with a radio-graphic signal.

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And it can be difficult

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to connect, to get a clear connection,
if you are too far away from the laptop

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that is supposed to pick up the signal.

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What you want to do is,

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you want to ask the people
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you want to ask them to put
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so that the distance between
the two dongles isn't that great.

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And you will have
a good connection there.

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Because if the distance is too great,

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you will see that words will start to,

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well, sort of disappear.

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You will get words
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Same thing goes with if you have
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the room where you are

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and the place where the laptop is.

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The radio-graphic signal doesn't really
carry well through thick walls.

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But there is always a workaround.
And that is, you can always use Wi-Fi,

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instead of the dongles.

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And then you can work with Text on Tap,
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It's basically the same program,
but just a different way of doing things.

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But it can happen, that you

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both have

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a bad signal or connection,

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because of the place where you work
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And you're in a place
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I had that the other day.

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[Piero] And what did you do
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[Evan] In the end, we used

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the hotspot from my own mobile signal
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So we had reasonable Wi-Fi

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through my mobile phone,

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because the Wi-Fi in the building
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[Piero] These things can happen
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[Evan] Yes.

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[Piero] What about
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the equipment
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in conferences and in working meetings.
Are there any differences?

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[Evan] Let me show you some things
that I have in my kit.

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What I prefer to work with
is this headset.

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This is a gaming headset, basically.

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It has really large earpieces,
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So it's comfortable
and the quality of the audio is good.

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two connections.

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You have the pink one for the backphones,
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You can always unplug the green one

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to get the audio
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Now, what I was talking about earlier,

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is this thing.

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This can connect with an XLR cable,

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which is a really--

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those professional audio cables
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And you can plug in your green little

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mini audio jack in here.

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All you need is
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This is a good thing to have
in your kit.

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[Piero] So it's basically a converter?

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-[Evan] Yes, it's an adapter.
-[Piero] OK.

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[Evan] These are the little dongles
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The Text on Top dongles.

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They have a little radio signal.

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So always be aware of the distance
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sometimes really enjoy having next to me

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is a little-- I have a mini i-Pad.

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For my notes,
if I don't have to print everything out

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I can also have
a little mini i-Pad next to me.

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Or my phone. But it's a little--

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It's a really small screen on my phone.

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It's good for keeping your notes.

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And the documents
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on a little mini i-Pad, in my case.

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That's basically
the most important things that I use

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for conferences on-site.

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Oh, wait.
I didn't tell you about this one.

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-[Piero] Oh, yeah.
-[Evan] This is the stenomask.

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[Evan] And it goes over your mouth.

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If you talk into this,
you won't make much of a sound.

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You will still hear something.

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[talking into the stenomask]

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-[Evan] But it's not disturbing.
-[Piero] Yeah.

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[Evan] Sometimes,
there are situations where you are--

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where you can't be in a separate room,

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and they think that you are going
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with all the other people.

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So always have the stenomask

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in your little suitcase.

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And then you'll be fine,
whatever happens.

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[Piero] Yeah. And these are the basic

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features that--

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[Evan] No, these are
the advanced features, I would say.

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I mean,
the basic thing is just your laptop.

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A separate keyboard is always
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Because I'm much happier typing
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than on my laptop keyboard
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So always have
a separate keyboard with you.

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If you have all these things,

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you won't--

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Oh, yes, another one
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for your...

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audio signal.

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I have like a 3-meters-long
extension cable

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for bridging the gap between my--

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they had put on my headset,
to where the audio goes in to.

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Extensions cords
are always nice to have.

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I also have an HDMI cable with me.

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Should they want to copy my text signal

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from my laptop screen
directly into another laptop.

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I haven't really used that much, though.

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I have all sorts of cable with me.

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It's always good to have a lot of cables,
and adapters, and things.

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[Piero] And also, maybe,
two cables of the same--

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of the same thing, I guess.

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[Evan] I also have an audio splitter.

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Let me see what I have.

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Oh, yeah.
This thing is really important.

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This is your regular--

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from a small cable input

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into a thick, big input cable.

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This is a must.
This is an essential thing.

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And this can also be very helpful,

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if you have to share audio
with a colleague.

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-[Piero] OK.
-[Evan] So, these things--

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[Evan] Yeah. I think I've covered--

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[Piero] And you use this equipment
both for conferences and working meetings?

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[Evan] Whenever I go
on-site to work, yes.

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I just have a suitcase
full of equipment.

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Sometimes, what also can help

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is an extra plug for your electricity.

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If you want to maybe have an extension
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and the power socket
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I must say,
9 times out of 10

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where you work,
they will have that for you.

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But it can also be helpful
to always have something

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for yourself.

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For having power.

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If you need to charge your laptop

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but you also need to charge your phone

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if the battery is nearly dead.

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You might have to have
two power sockets,

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instead of just one.

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[Piero] Yeah.

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I guess that there is a lot of difference

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between face-to-face
and online settings.

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Of course,
in this period of COVID-19 pandemic,

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most of the conferences
and working meetings are held online.

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Things have changed a little bit.

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And live-captioners have to adapt

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to this new situation.

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Maybe there are some pros,
but I guess there are also cons.

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-[Evan] I can tell you a good example.
-[Piero] Yeah.

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[Evan] The other day,
I was working for Ajax,

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the football club
from Amsterdam.

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They had become champions
of the Eredivisie.

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They had this sort of--

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a sort of online celebration
for season ticket holders

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who weren't able to go
to the stadium all year long.

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This was a sort of online event
for the fans, really.

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And they just wanted to do
the live subtitling.

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The translation,
from Dutch into English.

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Because there might be
a global audience there.

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And they wanted to do this at the event,
where it was held,

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which was at the actual
football stadium of Ajax.

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The Johan Cruijff Arena.

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We got to sit there,
in the football stadium.

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Like the hooligans, you know.

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If you have any affinity with football,
it's really nice to be in a stadium.

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Afterwards we got a thank you
from Edwin van der Sar,

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who used to be
a famous goalkeeper of Ajax.

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Now he is the CEO of Ajax.

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We were really excited to be there,
and to be on the pitch.

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We were actually in the massage room,

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near the dressing rooms
of the visiting teams.

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That's basically where the players are.

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That was our working environment
at that moment.

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It was brilliant.

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We got a really good feeling about that.

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Now, 2 or 3 weeks later,
they asked us back.

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But now they said,

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"The technical team says
there isn't any room for you there."

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"Could you do it remotely, please?"

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Of course we can, you know.

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It was basically the same thing,
but now I was at home in my office

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doing the same thing.

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You miss the buzz,
you miss the excitement.

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You miss being part of something,
you know.

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If you are there, you will do
things together with the technical team.

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And with the presenters.

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All of you are working on the same...

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assignment, really.
It's the same thing.

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You're part of the team, basically.

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Although you are beyond the scenes.

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If you work remotely,
if you work from home

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you're not part of the team at all.

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You're just the person
who does the captioning.

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If it's a Zoom meeting,

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it's the person who is hidden
under the CC captioning button.

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It's a completely different thing
of doing things.

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Of course, it's easy

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and you don't have to travel,
and it's efficient.

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But it's not as much fun
as being somewhere on-site.

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[Piero] Yeah, I can tell this.

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Apart from this,
does it change anything on the equipment

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from face-to-face
and online settings?

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[Evan] Essentially, no. Because you have
the same software you work with.

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Only the settings are different.

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You don't use a dongle

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to send the text.

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You do it through Internet.

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And you still have
usually a Zoom call.

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Or WebEx, or Skype,
or Microsoft Teams.

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That's where you get the feed,
where you get the sound and the image.

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It doesn't really matter that much,
essentially, in doing the work.

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It's just a lot less fun [laughs].

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[Piero] Would you say
that there are some pros

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in online settings?

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[Evan] Well, absolutely.

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You don't have to flight
all over Europe.

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I remember before COVID broke out,

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I got into plains, I went to Milan,
I went to Vienna,

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to Berlin, to Stockholm.

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All these places, Paris,
Brussels, Antwerp.

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I did a lot of things.

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And it was really quite exiting.

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But it leaves quite a lot
ecological footprint.

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It's a lot of time that you--

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It takes a lot of time.

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Ideally, I would like to see

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a hybrid form, where you sometimes
can do things on-site,

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and sometimes you can just stay at home,
and do it from behind your laptop.

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At home, in the office.

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[Piero] Yeah, many people
are now switching to this hybrid

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mindset

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of working remotely some days
and face-to-face other days.

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[Evan] Yes. I think it really helps

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for companies as well,
to see your colleagues on-site

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every so often at conferences.

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For us it's fun to be there as well.

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It sort of brings you--

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It strengthens the connection
that you have with the client.

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If you can see them face-to-face,
if you can have some chit-chat

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before and afterwards.

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I wouldn't want to loose
the on-site experience.

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[Piero] Yeah, of course.

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Online maybe you have more time
to spend with your family.

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[Evan] Or you can do 2, 3 jobs
in one day instead of just one.

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Financially, it can also be convenient

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to plan in more work on one day,
because you don't have to travel.

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[Piero] Yeah.

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But it's more tiring.

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I guess it's more tiring online.

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[Evan] Yes, but it also gives you energy

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if you come back from a job,

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and people were happy
with the work you did.

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That really charges your batteries.

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[Piero] One last question:

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what are your advices or recommendations
for new professionals

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entering these fields?

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And in particular in conferences,
working in conferences,

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and working meetings?

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[Evan] Yes, one--

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Very important bit of advice is to know
your software, know your stuff,

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know the technical things
that you need to know.

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And don't just know
how to work with it,

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but also learn how to explain it
to a technical person

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who needs to also implement it
in his working station.

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So it's important that you can--

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can tell the client
what he or she needs to do

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in order to get things right,
to get it to work.

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And if you don't know it,

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go out with the colleague who does know

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and pay attention,
ask some questions,

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and make sure
that you understand it yourself.

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Another bit of advice is always

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ask for some feedback

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from the person
that you've been working for.

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Were they happy?
Usually they will say nothing.

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You just assume it was fine.

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But maybe,

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they have some preferences.

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They might say, "I didn't like the way
the subtitles looked.", for instance.

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Maybe the letters were too small,

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or the letters weren't visible enough
because they were too white,

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and whenever the subtitles
were over somebody

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who wore a white shirt
you can hardly read.

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These things are important
to get feedback of.

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So that you can solve it for next time.

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And also it helps you

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to become better,
because if you never get any feedback,

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you won't do
anything different next time.

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And maybe that should be the case.

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Another one is,

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ask for materials beforehand.

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Sometimes you have a client
who should do this for you,

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because there might be
a subtitling company, or whatever.

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Not everybody

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does as good a job of asking

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for the right documentation,
for the PowerPoint presentations.

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Because otherwise sometimes people will--

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will read out an entire presentation

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and they will not do it

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in a very good way,
they will just read it out

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at a very high pace.

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It's impossible to adequately
caption this if you do not have the text.

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But if you do have the text,

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you can have it on your second screen

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so you can read along,

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and you can just read
from your own screen

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and still get the information across.

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But if you don't have that information,
it can be hell.

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[Piero] OK, any other advices,
or tips you--

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[Evan] I'm just looking around
at my desk and I see that I have

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4 screens on my desk.

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-[Piero] Oh, wow!
-[Evan] I have an iMac.

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[Evan] I have a second screen
for my laptop,

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I have my laptop screen,
and I have a TV screen.

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Sometimes I use all of them
at the same time.

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I would definitely invest in having
a second screen for your laptop.

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So you can have your presentation,

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the documentation,
you can have it open on one screen.

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You can have the Text on Top,
or whatever it is you use

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to put your input on another screen.

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And you can have a word list to look at
that you might need.

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Yes, second screens. I'm a big fan
of second and third screens.

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-[Piero] And also fourth screen.
-[Evan] And fourth screen sometimes, yes.

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[Piero] And you only have two eyes,
what a pity!

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[Evan] Yes, I only have two eyes,
but sometimes, you know--

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If you have different speakers

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and you have different tabs open

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to get to the next PowerPoint,

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or the next Word document,

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so, yeah, you need these screens.

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[Piero] OK. Any last remarks
about the differences

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on conferences and working meetings?

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[Evan] For work meetings
you often subtitle for just one person

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who is Hard of Hearing.

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And that changes the situation

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in that sense, that

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he or she is the only person
who reads your text.

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You can usually be a bit more

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informal with these people.

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Especially if you have communicated
with them before.

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Maybe you are
on a first-name basis with them.

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And you can ask them directly
for feedback.

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How would you like it?

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Is it very important to have
speaker indications? For instance.

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Or is it not important because

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in the Zoom call
you can already see who is talking.

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You can ask them, "Would you like
a transcript afterwards or not?"

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And you can also,
if you are working for one person,

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maybe typos
and spelling errors are not that--

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a big deal, as they would be maybe
for subtitles that everyone would see.

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If you are working for one person,

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don't bother too much
if you make an error,

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rather than if you work
for everybody to see.

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Because they would say,
"These subtitles look unprofessional."

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"I saw all these mistakes."

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But if it's for one person
who is Deaf or Hard of Hearing,

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they won't bother that much.

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[Piero] I think that's it.

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Many thanks for your knowledge.

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For sharing with us your knowledge.

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-[Piero] All this information.
-[Evan] It's been a pleasure.

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-[Evan] Thank you very much.
-[Piero] Yeah, thank you.

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-[Piero] See you, bye.
-[Evan] Bye.

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The summary.

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To briefly sum up,

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we can say that working
as a real-time subtitler

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both in conferences
and in working meetings,

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basically requires the same equipment,

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both on-site and online,

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with few differences in the settings.

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Then, we have seen that
it is extremely important to know

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and invest in good-quality equipment.

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Lastly,

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we learned that feedback is essential
to improve yourself.

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So always ask for feedback
to your end-users when possible.

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Exercises.

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The exercises for this video lecture are
in the Trainer’s Guide

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and the PowerPoint file.

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[LTA outro music]

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LTA - LiveTextAccess.

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Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona.

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SDI - Internationale Hochschule.

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Scuola Superiore
per Mediatori Linguistici.

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2DFDigital.

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The European Federation
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VELOTYPE.

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SUB-TI ACCESS.

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European Certification
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Co-funded by the Erasmus+ Programme
of the European Union.

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2018-1-DE01-KA203-004218.

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